11 July 2010

Does 3 dots means pig skin lining?

We'd like to share something that we came across..

rubi flats from cotton on


As many of you know, there is no "PIG SKIN LINING" signs at Cotton On.

So what is the conclusion?

We are not sure ourselves. If you don't believe me, visit any Cotton On outlets near you :) Of course not ALL the shoes have this 3 dots.. But they do have quite a number.. We managed to only snap these pictures as we did not want to attract any attention..

Just thought we needed to share this because many people claim this 3 dots as pig skin lining but our supplier keep telling us it is not pig skin lining. Who to believe? Major dilemma -.-"

So, buy at your own risk!

Love always,
Miss OCD

27 comments:

Anonymous said...

I dont think the rubi shoes are made of pig skin lining. Pig skin lining shoes are expensive such as more than RM 100. I've also got confirmation from the Cotton On Australia retail outlets that the rubi shoes are not made of pig skin lining. Many Muslims wear them in Aussie :)

miss ocd said...

anonymous: hey there! :D yup i am well aware of that, but apparently the 3 dots mean pig skin lining.. so i am not sure myself.. that is why when i saw these shoes at cotton on, i thought i should share it..

Anonymous said...

Um, as I observe, those dots in the rubi flats are not "3 dots" right? Cos as far as I remember, the dots should look like groups of 3 and according to this picture, there are just dots everywhere, not in groups of 3.. I'm not sure but this is just what I know :)

Anonymous said...

no, its not pig skin lining, and yep pig skin lining shoes are expensive. i'm a muslim seller, and i've came across a lot of shoes at my supplier with the 3dots as well, and like you said they claimed that its not made of pig skin lining. almost all shoes from china and korea tends to have the 3dots, i have no idea why :S

Naddie said...

By the way, can I get a concrete evidence as to why pig skin lining shoes are more expensive?

Naddie said...

Hiya,

Well there are cases where even if there are no signs put up by the retailers, we can't really be sure that it's not pig skin lining. Unless there is a clear statement stating that soles or shoes are not made of pig skin lining, I'm sure quite a number of Muslims are doubtful on whether or not they should take the risk. Personally, for me, it's better to err on the side of overly cautious.

I applaud the fact that you put up the warning that it has those 3 dots though - at the very least the buyers can make their own judgments :)

Anonymous said...

what 3 dots are u talking about? cant see a damn thing

Anonymous said...

Hello! I used to work in Cotton On. And this issue was brought up when a customer asked if it was really pig skin. We found out it is not actually real, it's just man made :)

chix said...

any leather with 3 dots mark is a pig skin. try ask the supplier or retailer whether the item made from genuine leather or synthetic leather. if it is genuine then it is pig skin. but if it is synthetic with 3 dots, it could be a synthetic leather that imitates the genuine. usually synthetic leather is cheap.

some gucci bag has pig skin. i guess pig skin is not cheap. for those who not sure don't buy.its not fair to blame retailer especially if they are not muslim. :)

Anonymous said...

urm, where are the 3 dots? i don't see it.

Jill said...

pig skin has 3 dots but i think the 3 dots are like close together like below image.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3223/3003470447_42e7b4caac_o.jpg

miss ocd said...

hey all :)

thank you for the feedback. for those who are unable to see the dots, please click on the picture to enlarge it. as for the dots, there are 3 dots stuck closely together. i do not have super upclose photographs because i was paranoid of being caught taking pictures -.- but if you look closely (you can click on the picture again to zoom in after clicking to view it upclose) there are actually 3 dots :)

the reason i posted this up is because i am caught in the middle where customers tell me it is pig skin lining and my supplier telling me its not.

so now, i really don't know. but i guess it is safer for muslims to stay away for these 3 dots item (just in case) but it is such a waste because most of the nice shoes have 3 dots :(

Anonymous said...

agree with jill. pig skin is like that and the material is more wooly and soft (see topshop's shoes).

the ones on rubi shoes are man made, i think.. cuz i've read at somewhere last time and they claimed nowadays the factory tend to make 3dots design on their shoes just to fake the 'animal skin lining-look'. wonder why they did that. heh. i'm a muslim and most of my shoes have these three dots cuz i usually buy those pretty pre-order shoes >.< but i'm quite sure they're not pig skin cuz the seller said so. and yeah, pig skin are expensive, like other animal skins too. lamb skin, snake skin, aren't they expensive too?

yeah to be safe we should stay away from these 3 dots shoes but its such a waste really cuz the shoes are alwayssssss nice. in a dilemma right now T.T

Anonymous said...

Miss ocd, you're very kind. i like you. two thumbs up. no, seriously! im glad you talked about this openly

fashionista-playground said...

actually i don't see any 3 dots in the pic. i am missing something?

andre said...

3 dots does not necessarily mean pigskin lining. As mentioned by others, it is synthetic (i.e. fake), man-made to look like the real thing. Take wallets for instance, genuine leather wallet are generally more expensive than the synthetic ones.

Synthetic leather are made from plastic, resins and etc, with its objective to imitate look and sometime even the feel of the real thing at a much more affordable price.

Why imitate the real thing then? This is basically due to fashion trend and to create the 'expensive' look of high end labels. Just like how they use imitate reptile skins, animals fur and etc. It's all about achieving the expensive look and feel, thus imitation starts to evolve.

How to safeguard yourself then? One, ask the sales staff. Two, buy from reputable brands who has signs stating 'made with pigskin lining' for some of their shoes. As it shows that they are conscious about their muslims customers' concerns and assist by differtiating pigskin linings shoes for their customers. So if their staff says it is not made of pigskin, it most likely be synthetic lining. Or lastly, simply do not buy anything with 3 dots. :)

miss ocd said...

thank you andre. we posted this because we would like to tell the public that the 3 dots does NOT mean the item has pig skin lining :) we appreciate your insight and opinion. thank you :)

Anonymous said...

My daughter just bought a pair from the outlet. It was nice, comfortable and fit the budget. However, when we spotted the 3 dots, we became suspicious, regretted and felt insulted. It seemed that the industries are no longer sensitive towards sentiment related to religion...

Anonymous said...

hi. plenty of people said that pigskin shoes and other goods are expensive whereas i have had a different experience and observation. i myself do leather outerwear business and pigskin is the cheapest leather you that you can find on the planet and also the worst and weakest. i am in uk so cannot say about the brands in malaysia but its for sure that pigskin is the cheapest of all kinds. thanks

Anonymous said...

Thank you for the post and comments. It definitely helps to identify the real and fake. However, to what I observe, pig skin has 3 dots in a form of a pyramid. Not those of 3 dots placed side by side.

However, lately I have noticed pig skin linings on these 'suede-like' shoes from Rubi. Which are of around $30 to $40.

So, I would definitely suggest looking over the shoes carefully as I have come across real pig-skinned lining shoes from Puma. But im glad that they actually placed a label 'pig skin lining' to inform customers.

Anonymous said...

Pig skin do have 3 dots but it far apart and can appear like a triangle if u look at it closely. The ones with 3 dots but close together in a line as I was informed is cow skin.. The problem is, PU material is used mostly for shoes as it is faux leather, synthetic, that looks like the real deal.
Leathers, not only pig skin are expensive because it's a difficult process to clean the skin from it's original form to its states fit for shoes. Thus, the price always go over $100.
Cheap shoes uses PU but they still put the 3 dots to make it appear like a real leather.

I'm a Muslim and a shoes lover... So I really2 check out before I bought anything, especially online. But I guess if u are not sure then u should follow the guideline in the context of islam, when in doubt, it's best to avoid. Right?Wallahu'alam..

Anonymous said...

Actually pig skin is not expensive at all. They are really cheap so shoe manufacturers like to it to increase their profit margin.

I live in the UK and I usually notice that the cheaper, affordable shoe shops like Office and shops like Forever 21 which dont specialise in shoes tend to carry a lot of shoes with pig lining. These shoes can go down to £5 (roughly RM$25).

On the otherhand more expensive brands like Timberland seldom carry pig skin lining. I know someone mentioned Gucci carrying pig skin but to my knowledge, they are the only one. Most other expensive brands don't. That's why people I know tend to avoid and dislike Gucci.

This is from a Islamic site:

Why is it Used?

Price & Availability:Pigskin is cheap and easily available in most countries. It is lighter that real suede made of Cow. Due to low price it is easier to market and sell. It was first used as liners as it is really thin and strong. Soon it was used in most products as profit margins are comparatively high.

http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2075&CATE=137

Anonymous said...

I worked in a glove factory that made all kinds of leather gloves, the only one that had the dots were pigskin. It only makes since that, to make the 3 holes in th skins that are not pigskin would be more processes and make the end product more expensive. I say they are lying to the public.

Anonymous said...

Hi, dear sisters n brothers the information i got that pig leather is very cheap in China specially. that's why they use pig leather mostly in shoes n bags.cow n sheep leather are expensive one.thanx

fauziah Nazir said...

Hi all. Please read more info on how to differentiate the types of leather from a blogger known as zamri's big fat blog. If not mistaken thts d name. U shall see more pics on comparison and how to check it because some comes in the forms of supressed leather making it difficult to tell. Happy reading... Im sure u will find it very useful. Sharing is caring...adios

Anonymous said...

no it's not a pig skin. i asked the staff n she convince me. i tried to differentiate it with topshop that has pig skin. it's more nicer than rubi shoes in cotton on. rubi was more can see man-made.

Anonymous said...

Found myself in same predicament but came across a sticker on shoe sole. Often shoes have stickers on them in the absence of printed information which might help you determine whether it's real pug skin or artificial made from synthetics.

Visit to understand symbols on shoes

http://www.simplybe.com/content/ebiz/simplybeusa/page/sizingfootwear/chart_footwear.jpg